Saturday, April 17, 2010

The Infallibility of PSA/DNA Authentication

Most of you remember Mario's "Man on the Street", Shane. He recently brought something rather disturbing to my attention. As if forgeries aren't already abundantly prevalent in The Hobby and often hard to identify, now, the holy grail standard of autograph authentication, PSA, themselves have seemingly made a major blunder.

Upon it's release Upper Deck's Prominent Cuts was a $200+ product. It has come down in recent weeks and still promises (1) Cut Signature card per box. Not limited to just sports, their is a strong Hollywood/entertainment segment of the checklist. Each of the Cut Signature cards was certified authentic by none other than PSA/DNA.

As you know Shane is a bit of a high-end gambler and recently tried his luck and came away less than happy.


It's not that Shane has anything against the British film actress, jewelry designer and Dancing With The Stars contestant.


Quite the contrary. Shane a collector of all things autograph related, owns and has seen several different signatures of Ms Seymour. The problem then? He doesn't think it's legit and in looking at these exemplars, I am inclined to believe he is right.

Jane has several different signatures which would ordinarily make the Prominent Cuts tough to spot. The real problem is that she NEVERS spells her name J-e-a-n.


So mistakes happen right? The problem is, in the autograph authentication business, they just can't ever happen. Especially for a 3rd party product that is to be resold.


Infallibility, from Latin origin ('in', not + 'fallere', to deceive), is a term with a variety of meanings related to knowing truth with certainty.

20 comments:

Sports Card Report said...

Since the one he bought was a 5/5 I wonder if the other 4 might be fakes too. Just awful.

Laurens said...

Maybe UD goofed and placed someone else's autograph cut on Seymour's card.

I would hope that would be more likely the case.

Rob- AKA "VOTC" said...

Laurens-that very well could be

gritz76 said...

Epic Fail! Just another reason not to drop a boatlaod on this kind of stuff.

darkship said...

If you look as well it appears that the last name has an "i" in it as it is dotted...no "i" in Seymour last time I looked

Jonathan @ RGB Cards said...

Before looking at the name on the card, when I just saw the signature, I thought "oh, a Jean Simmons auto."

I think that's what it is. So Laurens' theory is looking more correct?

Aaron said...

http://www.savethemales.ca/jean_simmons1.jpg

Joe S. said...

Ridiculous. How does UD stay in business? Oh, wait...

psa dna experience said...

PSADNA is the biggest scam in the business!! I sent a pair of authentic Ali Gloves that I have photos of him signing in 1990. I already have a COA but I wanted a PSA COA just to increase the value. What a joke! Signatures are perfect date is perfect.. These are the real deal. I was charged over $200 and the so call expert said they were phonies. Pitiful!!!

psa dna experience said...

PSADNA is the biggest scam in the business!! I sent a pair of authentic Ali Gloves that I have photos of him signing in 1990. I already have a COA but I wanted a PSA COA just to increase the value. What a joke! Signatures are perfect date is perfect.. These are the real deal. I was charged over $200 and the so call expert said they were phonies. Pitiful!!!

Anonymous said...

PSA/DNA is a real Scam I believe that they are only in business because they kiss Ebay's Ass and the very sad thing is ebay believes there horseshit! I was recently kicked off Ebay for selling autographed items that I had purchased on ebay from very select sellers and/or I had signed in person I have been doing this via ebay for 15 years and I probably have more experience with music autographs then they could ever understand this is no science but years of observing the signatures and a lot of gut feeling. I am planning on setting up my own website and screw PSA/DNA the idiots.

rw said...

psa dna and most of the third party authenticators are useless...this is a typical mistake...it is the autograph of actress jean simmons....not jane seymour...
people who continue to use these morons deserve what they get...unfortunately it hurts a lot of good sellers who won't use the 3rd party authenicators..as good items come back fake...and fake items come back as real

Anonymous said...

PSA/DNA arte just in it for the money, They recently passed this Michael Jackson autograph as authentic http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-Autograph-1-1-PSA-DNA-CERTIFIED-/230667412424?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b4d963c8#ht_500wt_1361

It is in my opinion one of the worst MJ autographs i have ever seen, and as a dealer i have seen a lot. People believe this shite, not fair when honest dealers get screwed due to their incompetence!

Anonymous said...

PSA/DNA is an absolute joke, they failed a Tom Brady autographed jersey I purchased from Mounted Memories of all places which is laughable. Basically the equivalent to failing a Steiner Derek Jeter autographed baseball. Use JSA or no one.

James M. aka Cardcop said...

PSA/DNA has been a joke ever since I first started investigating them in 1999. They have "authenticated" more forgeries than I ever though was possible. I've seen literally dozens & dozens with my own eyes.

Missing a good forgery is one thing, but authenticating an obvious forgery is inexcusable & they should be fined by some authority every time they get busted! Problem is there's no governing agency in this hobby. That's why I played hobby vigilante for over 10-years and accomplished more than I thought was possible (Pacific & Playoff are both gone because of my work). Unfortunately, my terminal Muscular Dystrophy pretty much stopped me by 2007.
James Spence is almost as bad. One example- he authenticated a QUAD autograph cut card (1st four MLB HOF Inductees) by none other than Upper Deck & ALL FOUR AUTOGRAPHS WERE FORGERIES!!! He almost started a fight with me at a NY (Westchester) show in 2007 when I mentioned that one to his face & I WAS WALKING WITH A CANE! Nice guy huh?

Stick with affordable ON CARD Certified Autograph Inserts (CAI's) the companies you trust put out & ONLY buy for the autograph value, NEVER because it's numbered to 5 or 10, or has a patch, or is a hot RC auto. The authenticity rate on those by big card companies are much higher than ANY other autograph collectibles & they put more effort into obtaining authentic autos than most realize.

With ON CARD CAI's- it's like 99.99% that you will get an authentic signed autograph. One in a thousand may slip through unsigned & whomever pulls it could sign it themselves & then there's the extremelky rare instance where a player gets his wife or girlfriend to sign all or some of the cards. <<<<< Donnie Shell did this with 2/3rd's of his autographs from 1997 UD FB Legends & UD RE-RELEASED THE FORGERY VERSION (along with the real ones) IN 2011 UD COLLEGE LEGENDS AS BUY-BACKS!!! >>>>>
All CAI's have something printed right on it proving that it's a card company obtained autograph. So when it goes from one owner to another- the authenticity trust doesn't ever change. You can't beat that & On Card autograph inserts are still cheaper than most other autograph collectibles like balls, mini-helmets, etc.

HOWEVER, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM STICKER AUTOGRAPHS! In the not too distant future, sticker autographs will be worth far less than On Card/Hard Signed autographs. I've been saying this non-stop via my old website & message boards since 2001 when Playoff issued the first sticker autographs in 2001 Score Select Football. Sticker autographs are less expensive than their on card couterparts for over a year now. I told Playoff that the return address labels were the stupidest thing I ever saw when they asked me for my opinion on them.
Let me ask you: would you go to a ballpark to get autographs with a return address holofoil sticker sheet to get them signed & then put them on cards when you got home? OF COURSE NOT & DOESN'T THAT SOUND RIDICULOUS? Then why do people collect sticker autographs at all?
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!

James aka Cardcop

Anonymous said...

i have a sign baseball by micky mantel i want to sell

Anonymous said...

how is it possible that balls identical to known authenticate signed balls are called fake? psa/dna they never give a reason for their opinion which hurts the collector. possible controlling the market.

Leo Guy said...

Authentication autographs aren't fool proof and only their opinion. Most people don't sign the same, they do have characteristics in their writing. If you didn't get it in person pass on it!

Leo Guy said...

Authentication autographs aren't fool proof and only their opinion. Most people don't sign the same, they do have characteristics in their writing. If you didn't get it in person pass on it!

klingontrader said...

Of course that's not Jane Seymour-
It is in fact the actress Jean Simmons I recognized the autograph as soon as I saw it check mine and they are a perfect match- she played a great character in the Star Trek series.

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